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1 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 29, 2011 10:16:14am

You watch — now the “counter-jihadis” are going to claim that they’re vindicated because Breivik was just “crazy.” Nothing to do with them at all!

2 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 29, 2011 10:58:54am

Sure enough, Pamela Geller is doing exactly what I predicted.

3 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Tue, Nov 29, 2011 11:31:13am

I agree, Jimmah. I’m somewhat skeptical too. It’s not like political medical decisions are unknown (cf. Megrahi’s release). In any case, I would want to read the original medical report before making my mind up on this.

4 Interesting Times  Tue, Nov 29, 2011 12:29:18pm
The two psychiatrists, in their report, concluded that he lived in his “own delusional universe where all his thoughts and acts are guided by his delusions”.

If this is the criteria for “clinically insane”, you’ll have to add nearly every member of the GOP base to that list.

5 Jimmah  Tue, Nov 29, 2011 12:49:45pm

re: #4 publicityStunted

If this is the criteria for “clinically insane”, you’ll have to add nearly every member of the GOP base to that list.

Yep - they seem to be mixing up two entiely different kinds of crazy here.

6 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Nov 29, 2011 2:17:47pm

re: #1 Charles

You watch — now the “counter-jihadis” are going to claim that they’re vindicated because Breivik was just “crazy.” Nothing to do with them at all!

Whereas, if they believe this, they really just have to deal with the fact that what they say is indistinguishable from the rantings of a paranoid schizophrenic.

He sounds just like them. So if he’s crazy, then they are too.

7 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Nov 29, 2011 3:36:48pm

I find it more likely that the Norwegians don’t want to admit that it’s possible for anyone to do anything that heinous and be sane.

Had this been in the US, that man would have gotten lethal injection.

8 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Nov 29, 2011 3:46:52pm

If you compare the writings of Breivik with those of Jarod Laughner, the difference is crystal clear.

9 Randall Gross  Tue, Nov 29, 2011 4:22:19pm

re: #6 Obdicut

Whereas, if they believe this, they really just have to deal with the fact that what they say is indistinguishable from the rantings of a paranoid schizophrenic.

He sounds just like them. So if he’s crazy, then they are too.

I’ve long argued that all terrorists are insane, but I’ve also argued that terrorists require sympathizers, and they do not form their ideologies and delusions from vacuum, insane or not.

10 researchok  Tue, Nov 29, 2011 4:46:37pm

I believe the actual diagnosis was paranoid schizophrenia. Given the amount of time the psychiatrists spent with this nutjob, I see no reason to question their assessment. It isn’t as if reaching of a diagnosis paranoid schizophrenia was a real stretch in this case.

11 researchok  Tue, Nov 29, 2011 4:47:52pm

re: #9 Thanos

Agreed- terrorists are carefully cultivated.

12 CuriousLurker  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 9:51:29am

There were additional details in a link to another article at the bottom of the source page: Who, What, Why: How do you assess a killer’s mental health?

In any event, he’s going to be locked up somewhere, and I seriously doubt he’ll ever be released.

13 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 10:05:55am

re: #10 researchok

19 guys believing in an invisible being and that they’re appeasing him by crashing planes in buildings. Paranoid schizophrenics or just fanatics? I don’t buy a claim that all terrorists are insane. They aren’t. This one might or might not be, but again, unless I will see the report, I’m will stay skeptical of this say-so, because there is nothing in his actions (those that are open for an analysis, unlike his interviews with psychiatrists) that requires clinical insanity as an explanation.

14 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 10:12:31am

re: #12 CuriousLurker

> and I seriously doubt he’ll ever be released

If the doctors are convinced that he is finally healed, I don’t see why not. It’s happened before. An instance in Canada comes up (can’t remember the name, but Obdi knows it).

15 CuriousLurker  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 10:24:41am

re: #14 Sergey Romanov

> and I seriously doubt he’ll ever be released

If the doctors are convinced that he is finally healed, I don’t see why not.

Maybe it’s just my American way of thinking. If Timothy McVeigh had been ruled insane, I can’t imagine that he ever would have been released and been able to survive for more than a couple of days. The hate for him was too strong—I think someone would have killed him.

I could be wrong though, and maybe Norwegians are different in that regard.

It’s happened before. An instance in Canada comes up (can’t remember the name, but Obdi knows it).

Really, an instance of mass murder like that? Maybe Obdi will pop in.

16 CuriousLurker  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 10:26:32am

re: #13 Sergey Romanov

I don’t buy a claim that all terrorists are insane.

Neither do I.

17 Lord Baron Viscount Duke Earl Count Planckton  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 10:39:15am

re: #15 CuriousLurker

Maybe it’s just my American way of thinking. If Timothy McVeigh had been ruled insane, I can’t imagine that he ever would have been released and been able to survive for more than a couple of days. The hate for him was too strong—I think someone would have killed him.

Well, I assume the laws are followed rather than convenience. If a person is deemed healthy, it’s against law to keep him in an asylum, right?

Really, an instance of mass murder like that? Maybe Obdi will pop in.

I misremembered - rather, he stood trial and then several years later was simply paroled - en.wikipedia.org

Note that he also was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia.

18 CuriousLurker  Wed, Nov 30, 2011 2:46:13pm

re: #17 Sergey Romanov

Well, I assume the laws are followed rather than convenience. If a person is deemed healthy, it’s against law to keep him in an asylum, right?

Yep.

I misremembered - rather, he stood trial and then several years later was simply paroled - [Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Note that he also was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia.

Thanks for the link. I don’t know what the requirements are for a clinical diagnosis of paranoid schizophrenia, nor do I know if they’re the same for being declared insane for legal defense purposes (they’re not the same here in the U.S., according to my understanding), but Breivik’s ranting didn’t sound any crazier to me than Geller’s (or any of her ilk).


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